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Boes d. 13/08-2011 08:17
#1
Yingluck is certainly looking out for her bro
Published on August 13, 2011
It is no surprise that the first achievement of Yingluck Shinawatra's government is to grant ex-PM Thaksin a Thai passport and use every possible means to have his non-entry status to Japan lifted.
It is already very disappointing that Germany, being a nation of principles and discipline, granted Thaksin - a convict - an entry visa.
Our revenue department has already returned the assets seized from Thaksin's children at the expense of Thai taxpayers. If Thailand is a lawless nation, it is because Thai government officials look for personal gain rather than the merit of the written law itself. It is so very shameful that most Thai politicians like to twist and interpret written laws for their own gain. Maybe the suggestion to let Thaksin and his clone govern only his Thaksin Democratic Republic should become reality so educated Thais can be saved from the embarrassment of having to live in the same country.
The Insider nation
Oprettet af Sicarius d. 13/08-2011 10:30
#2
Boes skrev:
Yingluck is certainly looking out for her bro
Published on August 13, 2011
It is no surprise that the first achievement of Yingluck Shinawatra's government is to grant ex-PM Thaksin a Thai passport and use every possible means to have his non-entry status to Japan lifted.
It is already very disappointing that Germany, being a nation of principles and discipline, granted Thaksin - a convict - an entry visa.
Our revenue department has already returned the assets seized from Thaksin's children at the expense of Thai taxpayers. If Thailand is a lawless nation, it is because Thai government officials look for personal gain rather than the merit of the written law itself. It is so very shameful that most Thai politicians like to twist and interpret written laws for their own gain. Maybe the suggestion to let Thaksin and his clone govern only his Thaksin Democratic Republic should become reality so educated Thais can be saved from the embarrassment of having to live in the same country.
The Insider nation
Såfremt som jeg kender Thailand godt nok, så tænkte jeg lige fra en start, at det endda var Thaksin der lige fra en start havde sørget for at Yingluck kom ind .Simpelthen for at hun kunne åbne nogle døre for ham at komme tilbage .Som bekendt åbnr døre sig meget vidt i Thailand når bare der smøres godt på hængslerne .Har personligt lidt tillid til at Thaksin er bedre for Thailand end så mange andre
.For selvom han meler sin egen kage, så bekymrer han sig for de fattige .Hvilket har givet ham, og også Yingluck den store opbakning af thais .Jo godt når der udskrives valg .Sammentræf? Jeg tror ikke .Jeg har ikke mere tillid til Shinawatras ubestikkelighed og renhed end jeg har til alle andre politikere .Det vil sige ingen som helst!
#3
Blaekket var daarligt nok blevet toert foer Fyrsten af Montenegros ven som nyudnaevnt udenrigsminister (uden af have noget kendskab til jobbet dvs ukvalificeret) anmodede om specielt visa til Japan saa Fyrsten kunne lave noget PR der, bl.a ved jordskaelvsomraadet). TIT (This is Thailand).
Prioriteterne er vist helt klare lige fra starten af. "Let the show begin" som en karikaturtegning der blev vist i Bangkok Post.
Fyrsten af Montenegro har brugt de fattige som sit redskab og er blevet utrolig rig paa den konto. Smart er manden det skal man ikke tage fejl af og han forstaar at rage til sig.
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Boes d. 13/08-2011 13:41
#4
Kære HN
Jeg synes nu nok at der var kildeangivelse i mit indlæg . Nation 13. august. At det er en privat mening ændrer i min optik ikke på hvad der er gang i. Eftergift af næsten 12 milliarder Thai bath, Tester grænserne, såsom indrejse i Tyskland og nu forsøg på at spille Thai ambassadør i Japan.
Han er snart tilbage i Thailand efter min mening.
God aften
#5
Boes skrev:
Jeg synes nu nok at der var kildeangivelse i mit indlæg . Nation 13. august.
Nej, det var en temmelig misvisende kilde. Jeg lod mig i første omgang snyde, fordi jeg ikke lige gad at tjekke (tak herfra til hn).
Boes skrev:
At det er en privat mening ændrer i min optik ikke på hvad der er gang i. Eftergift af næsten 12 milliarder Thai bath, Tester grænserne, såsom indrejse i Tyskland og nu forsøg på at spille Thai ambassadør i Japan.
Der er stor forskel på, om det er fakta som en journalist har gravet frem, eller påstande som en eller anden tilfældig person skriver i et læserbrev. Alle kan skrive et læserbrev, og det der står i dem behøver ikke at have noget som helst at gøre med sandheden.
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Boes d. 13/08-2011 16:05
#6
K;re Kim
Det virker som om du ikke rigtigt følger med i i Tv og avis nyhederne herude . Fred være med det
#7
Boes skrev:
K;re Kim
Det virker som om du ikke rigtigt følger med i i Tv og avis nyhederne herude . Fred være med det
Nej, jeg sidder ikke "herude", og jeg er ikke stødt på de pågældende påstande de steder, jeg følger med. Du er velkommen til at komme med troværdige links - gerne til noget på engelsk.
Men uanset om påstandene er sande eller ej, så er det dybt utroværdigt at fremstille et læserbrev som en avisartikel.
#8
Boes skrev:
K;re Kim
Det virker som om du ikke rigtigt følger med i i Tv og avis nyhederne herude . Fred være med det
Ok, og fred med mig selv kan jeg regne ud. Da jeg ikke følger med i aviser og Tv derude pt. Men er oprindeligt indlæg fact
eller udtrykt for en persons personlige mening (læserbrev) håber ikke det sidste var tilfældet, for så opfattede jeg det også forkert.
men blev/bliver vel klogere som tråden udvikler sig. Men uden tvivl ville jeg opfatte oprindelig indlæg som fact. (og kan da nemt være min egen fejl /fred være med det)
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Boes d. 14/08-2011 04:31
#9
CITAT
Hvor har du læst, at Thaksin Shinawatra forsøger at spille ambassadør i Japan ?
The Nation eller Bangkok Post igår
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Boes d. 14/08-2011 04:36
#10
Selv om han ikke skulle være udsendt af den Thailandske regering, vil han unægteligt blive betragtet som "ambassador" værende på officielt statsbesøg. Fact eller ikke.
Og fra dagens Bangkok Post .
No plan to return Thaksin's diplomatic passport, says PM
Published: 14/08/2011 at 12:00 AM
Newspaper section: News
Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra has dismissed rumours that the Foreign Ministry was considering returning a diplomatic passport to her brother, ousted former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra.
She said the government did not have such a policy to interfere with the Foreign Ministry's authority to consider granting or revoking a diplomatic passport.
Foreign Minister Surapong Towijakchaikul said he knew nothing about the reports. He had yet to start his work at the ministry.
If the ministry really proposed returning Thaksin's red passport, Mr Surapong said he would look into the matter.
Chavanond Intarakomalyasut, spokesman for the Democrat Party, said the government would face hard questions if it attempted to return the diplomatic passport to Thaksin.
The Foreign Ministry did not have full authority to decide the matter because it would have to base any decision on information about Thaksin's 2008 conviction for corruption offences from the police, prosecutors and the court.
The three bodies would have to alter Thaksin's sentence record before the ministry could return his red passport.
"I'd like the new foreign minister and prime minister to think about the PM's promise that she would not do anything to protect the interest of a single person [over the public interest]," he said.
The rumours suggested the government was pandering to Thaksin's interests.
Meanwhile, Mr Surapong has commented on a meeting between himself and Japanese ambassador to Thailand Seiji Kojima on Thursday.
Mr Surapong said Mr Kojima contacted him for the meeting through former prime minister Somchai Wongsawat.
The meeting was held after reports emerged that the government had asked Japan to grant Thaksin a special entry visa to allow him to visit the country.
Mr Surapong said the meeting was treated as an informal opportunity to get to know each other. He denied pressuring Japan to grant the permit.
At the meeting, he was asked whether the new government would maintain the same policy of the the former government that banned Thaksin from entering Japan, Mr Surapong said.
He said his answer was that the Pheu Thai-led government did not have such a policy, so the Japanese embassy would have to decide on its own if it would grant Thaksin a Japanese visa.
The Thai government could not force the Japanese embassy to grant Thaksin a permit to enter Japan, he said.
Thaksin now holds a Montenegrin passport and does not have to apply for visas through Thailand.
Thaksin had been invited by a Japanese private sector organisation to visit Japan on a field trip to tsunami-affected sites and to give a lecture on Thai-Japanese trade, said Mr Surapong.
Noppadon Pattama, former foreign minister and Thaksin's legal adviser, said he did not know about the meeting between Mr Surapong and the Japanese ambassador to Thailand.
But Mr Noppadon confirmed that Thaksin was invited by an educational institution in Japan to give a lecture there and to visit the areas affected by the March tsunami.
"I'm not going to criticise the way Mr Surapong works and will give him time to settle down into his job," said Mr Noppadon.
An urgent task of the Foreign Ministry should be boosting relations with neighbouring countries, and particularly with Cambodia, with which Thailand has an ongoing border dispute.
Hvorom alting er, så er det virkelig dårlig timing.
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Oprettet af
Boes d. 14/08-2011 06:13
#11
Thaksin offers to be trade Ambassador
BANGKOK, 14 August 2011 (MMT) - Ousted Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra has offered to help promote the country's economy as the trade ambassador according to a Pheu Thai Party MP.
Pheu Thai party list MP Thanik Masipitak said Mr.Thaksin had expressed his wish during their meeting in Dubai.
The MP claimed the former premier was very concerned over the plight of the Thai people and would like to utilize his business knowledge and his negotiating skill to help boost foreign investment in the country.
He added that Mr.Thaksin expects to encourage foreign investors to spend 250 billionTHB in the short term and one trillion within four years.
Mr.Thanik said Pheu Thai was ready to return justice to Mr.Thaksin and detained red shirt members. However, he denied that the party had planned to offer the former premier political privileges now that his sister Yingluck Shinawatra had become the premier.
The MP insisted that the party simply wanted to disclose the truth and to do away with unjust treatments which have brought difficulties to Thaksin and his supporters over the past years.
-- NNT 2011-08-14
National News Thailand 14 aug 2011
#12
Tak for linkene, nu har du så selv hjulpet med at tilbagevise påstandene i det citerede læserbrev. Så med hn's tidligere forklaring er der vist ikke så meget tilbage af læserbrevet - udover den åbenbart grundløse forargelse i det.
Oprettet af
Boes d. 14/08-2011 10:48
#13
Vi følger vel udviklingen og ser hvad der sker, som bekendt er løgn en folkesport i dette land.
Oprettet af
Boes d. 15/08-2011 05:50
#14
Bangkok Post 15-8-11
Hvilket andet land ville acceptere at de facto blive repræsenteret af en afsat, exil kriminel, dømt ex pm ....
Thaksin gets Japan visa
Published: 15/08/2011 at 12:00 AM
Newspaper section: News
The Japanese government will allow entry to deposed prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra later this month, Foreign Minister Surapong Towijakchaikul said yesterday.
Mr Surapong said he was informed that Tokyo had given permission for Thaksin to visit Japan, but he had not yet received confirmation from the Japanese government.
Foreign Ministry spokesman Thani Thongphakdi yesterday said the Japanese embassy confirmed that Tokyo had issued a special permit for Thaksin to enter the country.
However, Mr Thani said he had no details about the visit date or the type of visa.
Analysis: Thaksin's ally is Surapong
Foreign Minister Surapong expressed gratitude to Japan for allowing Thaksin to visit Japan.
"I'm glad former prime minister Thaksin will be able to enter Japan," Kyodo News Agency quoted Mr Surapong as saying.
"The decision to issue a visa for the former premier is purely at the discretion of the Japanese authorities."
Mr Surapong on Thursday asked for Japan's cooperation in helping along Thaksin's Japan trip.
Thaksin's supporters say he plans to visit Japan from Aug 22 to 28, during which time he intends to visit areas in Miyagi prefecture in northeastern Japan devastated by the March 11 earthquake and tsunami.
Meanwhile, Mr Surapong played down concerns over rumours Thaksin would have his diplomatic passport restored.
Mr Surapong said he would strictly follow related laws and regulations on the matter.
He said his priority was not to return Thaksin's passport but to resume good relations with Thailand's neighbours.
And the band plays on.....
Oprettet af
Boes d. 16/08-2011 07:46
#15
Ser ud som om han bliver sendt til Japan af regeringen
ANALYSIS
Visa request came from Bangkok
By The Nation
Published on August 16, 2011
Doubts about the intentions of the Yingluck administration emerged on her first day in office, with Japan confirming yesterday it granted Thaksin Shinawatra an entry visa at the request of the Thai government.
This left Foreign Minister Surapong Towichukchaikul facing the glare of scrutiny, hot on the heels of a poll rating him the "most disappointing" name in her Cabinet.
The Japanese visa dominated the front pages, followed by a story about an alleged Yingluck Shinawatra pledge to give the families of red-shirt protesters killed last year Bt10 million in compensation each.
Coming third was a report that Interpol had removed Thaksin from its wanted list, although it became clear yesterday Interpol never issued a warrant for his arrest.
For a prime minister who vowed on her inauguration never to work for any particular group of people, it was hardly an ideal start.
Are there connections between the Japanese visa, the German visa and the Interpol issue? Some analysts link them with Thaksin's wish to come home and not go to jail. His increased freedom to travel internationally and greater recognition overseas flies in the face of a Supreme Court verdict sentencing him to two years jail for the Ratchadapisek land case, and could be followed by a push for an amnesty.
Over the past few days, Yingluck and Surapong have been evasive over who requested a visa for Thaksin to visit Japan, after the foreign minister led Thai reporters to believe the initiative came from the Japanese side. The answer emerged from Tokyo yesterday, when Japan's Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano told reporters the visa was granted at Bangkok's request. The fugitive PM will travel to Japan next week to give speeches on democracy and economy - the former to local and foreign media and the latter to the Japan-China-Asean Institute of Economy.
Japanese Ambassador to Thailand Seiji Kojima had met with Surapong, who at first made it sound as if the envoy was seeking his advice on an institute invitation the Thai government knew nothing about. Japan had banned Thaksin's entry after he was convicted over the Ratchadapisek land scandal in 2008.
If Japan's chief cabinet secretary is to be believed, their envoy did not seek Surapong's advice but was given the message the Thai government wanted Thaksin to enter Japan. The institute's invitation was reportedly extended to Thaksin in June. He sought the visa from the Japanese consulate in Dubai and will use his Montenegrin passport to visit the Asian country next week.
Bloomberg, which reported yesterday on Thaksin's impending trip, also quoted a German official who spoke on condition of anonymity that Germany had lifted a travel ban on Thaksin. Khao Sod reported on August 11 that Thaksin travelled to Munich by private jet on August 5 and met with supporters in Hamburg on August 9. According to a report in the Helsinki-based Helsingin Sanomat newspaper, Thaksin also visited Finland in July.
Yesterday's report that Interpol removed Thaksin from its wanted list was strongly denied by Yingluck. She sounded confident on this one, probably because Interpol never took the Thaksin case as a criminal matter in the first place and there was never an arrest warrant. What remained unclear as of yesterday was whether Thai authorities "withdrew" their request for a warrant from Interpol entirely.
Remaining a thorn in Yingluck's side is the question whether her government, the Foreign Ministry in particular, will give Thaksin back his Thai passport. She has been absolutely ambiguous about this issue, whereas Surapong has been slightly more open, saying he was ready to "study" the whole implication of passport return. Carrying a Thai passport while travelling, Thaksin's freedom abroad won't be much different from what the Montenegrin document can give him, but his dignity will rise.
The Interpol news along with Thaksin's greater independence overseas will not change his legal status domestically, however. Thaksin, no matter how many countries he can enter, will have to go to jail if he returns home. Unless an amnesty is already in place, that is. Talks about a homeward-bound Thaksin, therefore, can come true only on one condition - that major legal changes are undertaken to keep him out of prison when he comes back.
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Oprettet af
Boes d. 17/08-2011 05:31
#16
Democrats target Surapong
Published: 17/08/2011 at 12:00 AM Bangkok Post
Newspaper section: News
The opposition Democrat Party is seeking to take legal action against Foreign Minister Surapong Towijakchaikul for helping ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra to enter Japan.
Democrat leader Abhisit Vejjajiva yesterday said it was wrong for the government to arrange for Thaksin, who is on the run from justice, to get special permission to visit Japan between Aug 22-28.
Thaksin was sentenced to two years in jail in 2008 for abusing his authority to help Khunying Potjaman na Pombejra, his former wife, to buy prime land in the Ratchadaphisek area at a discount while he was prime minister.
He fled overseas before the Supreme Court's Criminal Division for Holders of Political Positions sentenced him to two years in jail in his absence.
Mr Abhisit said the Yingluck government is obliged to comply with the verdict and enforce the law by bringing Thaksin back to face justice.
Government officials who are found to help a fugitive could also face prosecution, Mr Abhisit said.
He said the Democrats' lawyers are looking at legal steps to be taken against Mr Surapong and other government officials who may be involved.
Yukio Edano, Japan's chief cabinet secretary, confirmed that the Thai government requested that Japan issue an entry visa to Thaksin.
Japan decided to issue an entry visa to Thaksin after the Pheu Thai-led government told Tokyo it no longer wished to restrict his overseas travel.
Thaksin said yesterday he would travel to areas hit by the March 11 earthquake and tsunami during his trip to Japan next week to see what Thailand can do to help its reconstruction efforts, a news report said.
"My intention is to visit the tsunami site to see whether we can render any kind of cooperation or assistance," Thaksin said in an interview with Kyodo News in Dubai.