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Boes
Sawasdee ka everyone

Last week I talked about the difference between successful relationships between Thai and Farang and the failures. I will talk more about that but one comment was very interesting and I would like to talk about that in this post.

Bob’s comment about no girl grows up wanting to be a bar girl and scam men for money….it was very touching and caring comment and it is very true. Perhaps though these days some of these girl are now quite happy with this lifestyle but how many are not, how many hate themselves for it and as Bob said had not the idea when they were a little girl.

I got to thinking how some of this might have started because I don’t believe Thai women have always been like that and sex tourism has not always been so widespread in Thailand……and I know it’s not just limited to Thailand because much of South East Asia has this problem.

I know that there are some historical reasons why all this began in Thailand and why we have a problem with so many Thai girls chasing Farang for money.

In WW2 the Japanese began a trend called Comfort women which were women they mostly forced into a type of prostitution for the Japanese military. Young women from countries under Japanese Imperial control were reported to be abducted from their homes. In some cases, women were also recruited with offers to work in the military. These comfort stations spread to other Japan occupied territories and also women from other countries were recruited for this work including women from Thailand.

There were 20,000 prostitutes in Thailand in 1957; by 1964, after the United States established bases in the country, that number had increased to 400,000

While Japan did this for their own needs the sex trade really began in Thailand with the Vietnam war. There were 20,000 prostitutes in Thailand in 1957; by 1964, after the United States established bases in the country, that number had increased to 400,000.” Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not blaming the US because in 1967 Thailand agreed to provide “rest and recreation” services to American servicemen which they called ‘I&I’ intercourse and intoxication. The reason for this? It brought around $16 million into the Thai economy.

The problem was that after the war this left a big hole in the Thai economy and this was filled by tourism which then set in place the whole bar girl and scamming Farang for money industry, and it is now an industry. As I said this is not really the fault of the US because I know that Thailand has an acceptance of this type of work by women. Although it is not exactly legal they turn a blind eye to it all and much of Thai society accept that it is part of life.
Kritaya Archavanitkul, a Thai human rights activist, interviewed by UC Berkeley Institute of International Studies, said:

‘I don’t know about other countries, but in Thailand the sexual behavior of Thai men accepts prostitution. Every class of Thai men accept it, although not all Thai men practice it. So they don’t see it as a problem. So when it comes to the policymakers, who are mostly men, of course, they don’t see this as a problem’

Now the problem has become so big that Thai girls are recruited from all over Thailand and especially the country areas. They are sometimes coerced into this and because they come from poor families with no education and they become the sole support for the whole family and sometimes even whole villages, some of these girls have very sad stories too.

Thai girls now go into it all with open eyes, they hear stories and see neighbors in their villages with big houses paid for by Farang husbands and boyfriends

But some of these girls now go into it all with open eyes, they hear stories and see neighbors in their villages with big houses paid for by Farang husbands and boyfriends and they are seduced by the idea of earning much higher money than they can in a normal government job or worse doing unskilled work in the countryside.”Why work in a factory for 2,000 or 3,000 baht a month ($80 to $120), when one man for one night is maybe 1,000 baht?”

Interesting…recently I went to Pattaya…I took Dean just so he could see it for himself as he had not been there before.
His comment was that it was hard to be confused about what all these girls are about but in the West there is a perceived mystique of Asian women as being beautiful, obedient and available, many times this is actually promoted and that it plays on the urges and emotions of western men and so they fall for it so easily. When you combine that with the need for money in Thailand by many of these Thai girls there is your equation….it’s simple supply and demand.

Women who suffer with this kind of lifestyle do because of their karma

Another issue I often hear from Farang is that because Thailand is mostly a Buddhist country how does this sit with Buddhism. What you might find interesting then is that in Buddhism women are viewed as naturally inferior to men. Buddha himself said women are seen as impure and carnal and can corrupt men. Buddhism is also about acceptance of the suffering and pain in life and as you might know also uses the idea of karma and it is often thought that women who suffer with this kind of lifestyle do because of their karma.

So what we see is that this type of behavior has become part of our culture and society and is very difficult to stop because so many of the people who can stop it or at least reduce it actually accept it. The sad part is that sometimes this type of attitude about getting money from men can leak and filter into normal society, not just the bar girl types but normal girls working in normal jobs who see it as a man’s duty to provide financial support.
This attitude is especially seen in women with Chinese heritage where as I discussed last week it is expected of the man to provide all the financial support in the family. However the positive side to that is that these women also have an understanding and acceptance that all the gifts, gold that their husbands might buy them will be used if their husband have a financial problem in the future.

Many Thai women are genuine and hardworking, maybe even more than their husbands

Now although this might sound very negative for my Thai women I also know there are many, many Thai women who are genuine and hard working, maybe even more hardworking than their husbands as in fact many Thai men can be quite lazy.

I hope some of this information you find interesting and help you to understand that this is part of our culture and also understand what you need to be aware of if you become involved with a Thai woman. They are not all bad but it is easy to get caught so you need to be careful.

Until next week I hope you all have a safe and peaceful week.

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"The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits."
Albert Einstein
 
Silpakorn
This is just another blog, though written by Thai, to soothe the bad feelings from those who ever encounter such experience. Or what?

I am Thai married to a Dane.

Why? Is that because of the money?
-No, my salary was higher than what my Danish spouse could make when we were in Thailand.

Why a foreigner then?
-I cannot just pick ok I would marry that person who holds foreign passport or that person because of being half Thai half Chinese. You cannot simply do it like that. It's the circumstance-you happened to meet someone whom you can enjoy talking/discussing thing with. That's it.

Is that because marriage allow you to relocate where your spouse is from? To stay abroad sort of.
-No, the only reason why we are here is for my spouse to finish with bachelor degree, to be able to find a proper job when we return to Thailand.

Does the info from the blog helps improving foreigners' attitude towards Thai?
-No, her point of views makes thing worse. If she really means to share her Thai culture with the world, she should be more genuine in doing so. Not just 'hey watch out folk! if you wanna get involved with Thai, you better watch your back!'. She got it right for many points but the way she put them together is more to put Thai culture in a bad light I think.
en sydthai på CBS
 
rinpoche
This article only portrays one small aspect of thai culture.

And it is hardly surprising that women of the night - in any country - pursue financial goals. That`s a nobrainer.

I don`t really think that the article reflects badly on thai culture, just a tiny fraction of it. Besides, I see nothing new in there, no deeper insight whatsoever.
In any culture, there is the good and the bad, and occasionally the ugly.

You just hold your head high, you should be proud to be thai.

The article beckons another question. Why do farang men chase bar girls?
Which reminds me of the story about the scorpion and the frog.


http://allaboutfr...rpion.html


One day, a scorpion looked around at the mountain where he lived and decided that he wanted a change. So he set out on a journey through the forests and hills. He climbed over rocks and under vines and kept going until he reached a river.

The river was wide and swift, and the scorpion stopped to reconsider the situation. He couldn't see any way across. So he ran upriver and then checked downriver, all the while thinking that he might have to turn back.

Suddenly, he saw a frog sitting in the rushes by the bank of the stream on the other side of the river. He decided to ask the frog for help getting across the stream.

"Hellooo Mr. Frog!" called the scorpion across the water, "Would you be so kind as to give me a ride on your back across the river?"

"Well now, Mr. Scorpion! How do I know that if I try to help you, you wont try to kill me?" asked the frog hesitantly.

"Because," the scorpion replied, "If I try to kill you, then I would die too, for you see I cannot swim!"

Now this seemed to make sense to the frog. But he asked. "What about when I get close to the bank? You could still try to kill me and get back to the shore!"

"This is true," agreed the scorpion, "But then I wouldn't be able to get to the other side of the river!"

"Alright then...how do I know you wont just wait till we get to the other side and THEN kill me?" said the frog.

"Ahh...," crooned the scorpion, "Because you see, once you've taken me to the other side of this river, I will be so grateful for your help, that it would hardly be fair to reward you with death, now would it?!"

So the frog agreed to take the scorpion across the river. He swam over to the bank and settled himself near the mud to pick up his passenger. The scorpion crawled onto the frog's back, his sharp claws prickling into the frog's soft hide, and the frog slid into the river. The muddy water swirled around them, but the frog stayed near the surface so the scorpion would not drown. He kicked strongly through the first half of the stream, his flippers paddling wildly against the current.

Halfway across the river, the frog suddenly felt a sharp sting in his back and, out of the corner of his eye, saw the scorpion remove his stinger from the frog's back. A deadening numbness began to creep into his limbs.

"You fool!" croaked the frog, "Now we shall both die! Why on earth did you do that?"

The scorpion shrugged, and did a little jig on the drownings frog's back.

"I could not help myself. It is my nature."

Then they both sank into the muddy waters of the swiftly flowing river.

Self destruction - "Its my Nature", said the Scorpion...
 
Boes
Silpakorn
Jeg er enig med dig det meste af vejen.
Dog lige nogle facts.
Prostitution i sydøstasien har været legitimt mange århundreder inden GI's kom her under vietnamkrigen og inden da under 2. verdenskrig.
90 % af de prostitueredes kunder er Thai mænd.
At så mange kvinder havner i prostitution, som forfatteren af artiklen hævder, skyldes mest af alt det manglende sociale netværk, som vi kender fra Europa og da specielt Scandinavien.
De prostituerede har som regel ikke meget skolegang bag sig.
En Thai kvinde, som mister forsørgeren til sig og sine børn har ikke mange andre realistiske valg end at forsørge sig og børnene og familjen som passer børnene, end at gå ind i prostitution. Like it or not.
En anden gruppe prostituerede kommer som regel fra velstående hjem, men mangler lige den der sidste iPhone eller noget andet fancy.
Pussy talks,
Vi kan sletikke sammenligne vores i grunden kristne instilling med Buddhisternes syn på prostitution
"The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits."
Albert Einstein
 
Det kan da være rigtigt-men jeg mener dog, at vi skal have indlæg og helst mange flere,der er lidt positive, i forhold til, især thai kvinder.Der er alt for meget fokus på alle de negative sider.
Jeg diskuterede det for nyligt,med en der har en side magen til denne og hans respons var-ja, men det giver jo klik,på siden-det gør de gode succes historier ikke.
Jeg ved jo selvfølgelig,at alt dette findes og meget er rigtigt,men syntes også,at vi skal have de gode sider med og jeg,for mit vedkommende,kender heldigvis ikke til livet i Bangkok og Pattaya osv. og her hvor jeg bor,ser vi det sjældent-selvfølgelig er det her,men slet ikke, i den udstrækning,som der ofte tales om.
Men problemet,hvad det angår,ligger jo nok i, at mange ikke kommer længere end til disse før nævnte byer,hvor problemet jo ER stort.
Som jeg før har nævnt,så har jeg aldrig haft dårlige oplevelser,hverken med mænd eller kvinder hernede og kender faktisk kun ganske normale og lykkelige forhold-men ok. jeg spørger selvfølgelig heller ikke hvor folk har mødt hinanden,da jeg mener, at det kan være fuldstændig ligegyldigt.
Hvor mange derhjemme,har ikke mødt deres dame på en bar eller diskotek.?
Dermed betegner vi dem jo heldigvis ikke som prostituerede.
Igen-der bliver nævnt i artiklen, at der er 400.000 prostituerede-lad os så sige tallet idag er 1 million-ja tak, men der er i thailand, kvinder mellem 15 og 66 år.23 millioner-bare lige for, at få lidt perspektiv på.
Så alene ud fra dette må vi jo konstanterer, at det heldigvis, er et fåtal af thai kvinder der ernærer sig indenfor dette felt.
Som der også bliver sagt-der ER både godt og skidt-alle steder i verden,så hvorfor nogle mennesker,ser det som deres fornemste pligt, at informerer alt og alle om, at det hele findes i Thailand, forstår jeg ikke helt.
Jeg går ud fra, at de fleste af os, er taget frivilligt herned og er frie til, at rejse hjem igen-så hvorfor nogle mennesker bliver her,på trods af, at det er helt åbenlyst for enhver, at de egentlig ikke bryder sig om, hverken menneskene hernede,landet eller styret osv.-hvorfor de bliver her, er mig en gåde.
 
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